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We are here with Dr. Renate Singh.
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And we actually had this. We had an interview last May I think you said right.
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And probably lots changed since then, to touch base with you Renata and see how things have been
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since then. But before we go, there has been a lot of new warriors since our last interview. And I'm sure you know, a lot of changes. So could you let us know? Where were you when you started with your health and weight. I know last time we talked about if you can just give us a quick refresher. So I started just after Valentine's Day, in February of 2020, before there was this global pandemic. In fact, about four weeks before it was called by the who. And at the time I weighed 210 pounds, I was sore, I was exhausted, I was overwhelmed.
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Because like I'm anesthesiologist, I'm a shift worker. So I do a lot of nighttime stuff, daytime stuff, 24 hour calls sometimes. So I was definitely living on a lot of adrenaline and caffeine and ordered food because it's the thing you do when you know you work late shifts in the hospital is you order food with your colleagues and you feed your your residents. So your your trainees because it's the polite thing to do when they're when they're, they're working with you. Um, but, you know, I think that for me, I was I've always been a healthy person who exercised, I was still going to the gym three to four times a week in spite of all of that, but I was gaining weight after age 50 and just couldn't keep it off. And, you know, I was as a physician, I was like, Okay, well, this is menopause. But there's got to be something more. I mean, I'm going to be perimenopausal maybe for 10 years, right? So I'm not going to sit here engage in depth indefinitely like this is this is just this is not working for me. So I had actually encountered the ads for your program on Facebook and I thought what the hell I'll give it a try. So I had my call with Tom I signed up and I have I've had my blips in the road, which we can talk about but I've never looked back for sure.
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While the pandemic was sort of at its its its height and fury in the spring, I was losing weight. While a lot of people that I worked with were isolating at home and saying, I'm putting on the quarantine 15. What are you doing Renata, like what are you doing that's different.
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So I of course was more than happy to share what I was doing that was different.
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So that that would that would and I finished the program after two rounds at 155 pounds. So I rang 10 bells.
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And then in the height of the pandemic, again, in the second wave fall, when we went to a code red lockdown here in Manitoba,
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we were very much in limbo in the anesthesia community with respect to so what's going to happen to you guys, now we're doing less elective surgeries, you're probably going to be in the ICU taking care of COVID patients, you know. So again, there was a lot of anxiety around that because there was it was still very unknown. And late days in the hospital procedures that just couldn't get done in a timely manner. staying late, not doing enough food prep, accepting the gift of donated food, which is a wonderful gesture from the community. But it's not so wonderful when you're a metabolic warrior who has to you know, keep their metabolic poop in a group soda, so to speak. So I found through the fall, I slowly gained like 18 and a half pounds back and started a third release right after right in the middle of January.
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And I'm almost done now.
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I will I will be done in a week and I have lost 20.5 pounds. So I've taken off the weight and a little bit more. And I feel fantastic. And it was a super good learning for me about how the stress of life and work and outer responsibilities can take you off the track of self love and self care and the investments that you need to make primarily in order to be of greater service in the world. Yeah, yeah, no, it's really inspiring. What you did there is you had so many things outside of your control.
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That there are things that you just couldn't even logistically can
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roll in. And yet you were able to conquer that you were able to overcome that. And then when you had things settled down, take back control in the best way you knew how so that it was only very transient in that, but before we go too far down that road and how you overcame that and all the the positive things that you've overcome. Before you go there.
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You've you've tried a lot of things before working with us. I mean, HCG was one of them. Yeah, I remember you talked about, you talked about you did you did keto. Was that accurate? Tell us a little about what you tried before even starting with us. And the results you got from those things? If you can, I kind of feel like I've been on a diet in some way, shape or form my entire life, you know, from my mother putting me on Weight Watchers when I was a teenager. And it's before I would have had what I would have even considered to be a weight problem at this point in time. But I again, Weight Watchers, I tried I tried Bernstein's I tried keto.
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The HCG diet for a while, which was effective. The problem with it is it's sustaining it in terms of keeping it interesting. There's no template for life after you're done. You know, and then, of course, you know, there's the stick about injecting yourself that I never really had that much of a problem with because I put needles in people all day long for a living, but it was it was not sustainable. I think in terms of the variety that it offered at all, it was easy to very get very, very quickly bored with it and just let it all go to hell because you perceive your or I perceived myself as as starving, you know, no interesting recipes, no community No, no place to share ideas, no, no real support.
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And then keto was something that would that actually became extremely popular in my workplace. I worked with a bunch of
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sisters who sort of had recent
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reason contact with your injury. But they were all kind of obsessed with, you know, taking off their beer weight and whatnot. And they all did keto. And some of them lost, like, you know, 2030 pounds, like that. And, you know, there were a couple that actually had legitimate weight problems that have lost like, almost 100 pounds. And, you know, I looked at that, and I'm like, Well, if those guys can do it, I can do it, too. So I used exactly the same tools and tricks of the trade and the apps and the calorie counters and, you know, measured and weighed grams of this and not and whatnot. And I lost eight pounds in three months. Most of it was actually in the first month, and then everything just stalled right out. And I was like, you know, I feel like my heartburn is worse, because of the extra fat like, I'm not losing weight. Why are these guys successful, and I'm not successful. That was like a
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big shock. For me, and it was like new, you know, menopausal and postmenopausal females have different needs for sure. You know, as your you know, your your the cycle of your ovarian hormones, your thyroid, all of those things start to change. It's it's a little bit different than male physiology and requires a slightly different approach. And that's when I found the metabolic reset online. And like I said, I've I've never looked back from there, you know? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, you're in a position I just read through your application. This morning, when you first worked with us and you're like, metabolic pre menopause is kicking my butt. I need some help. And I'm just ready to get this get this sorted. And, you know, you had that attitude of like, just helped me I just need to know and figure this out once and for all I need to learn a lifestyle change. I'm sick and tired of this. You had your call with Tom and you just kind of jumped on
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going through this process for you was you mentioned the releasing phase was right before COVID hit correct.
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was during it was before injuring so I was I was about a month in, by the time the pandemic was called. So I was I was already in that mindset. You know, where I was releasing, I was exercising. I was uh, you know, I was exercising the best self care that I possibly could.
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When I came out of releasing all the gyms were closed, so exercising was a little bit more of a challenge, but I managed to, you know, incorporate some hit workouts into my life.
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But yeah, it was, um, I, I started I started the reset in one paradigm
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of the world. And, you know, shall we say, completed edge in a very different world paradigm. So tell us about that. Because I see geologists in the midst of COVID. Like talk about stress, talk about workload, if you weren't, you know, worked enough before that, how are you coping, going through a lifestyle change. And while doing that, and having everything going on with COVID, in what you do, as an anesthesiologist, being a frontline worker, so I'll tell you, like, you know, let's, let's sort of talk about the two phases of that, because like the pandemic, there have been, you know, different waves in terms of the burden on the health care system. And I find that, you know, at least here in Manitoba, unlike you know, our Eastern counterparts in Ontario and and Quebec, we didn't have a big problem with COVID here in the first wave. And I was a little bit perplexed by that, because we have what I would consider to be such an unhealthy population here, like lots of communities that are remote with you know, with poor poor health care, poor diets, healthy foods, expensive rice,
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healthy food out to northern communities, it becomes costly, and it's much cheaper to buy things like you know, chips and coke and mac and cheese and things that are processed, pre prepared and such. So you see, you know, you see tremendous rates of you know, diabetes and and states of being immunocompromised here, like lots of cardiac disease, lots of peripheral vascular disease. So I literally sat here and waited with all my colleagues for you know, people to start, like, you know, dropping from this virus and ending up on ventilators. And we didn't actually have a big problem with it in the first wave, much to our chagrin, making me wonder, it's like, has it been here before? Like, is there immunity in this community what's going on, but we all were able to sort of take pause and relax. And, of course, our provincial government here got very arrogant and decided to just open things up because we had it under control.
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But even then, like it allowed it in the love from the station, the workplace, and not sort of the same level of anxiety that other areas were experiencing, where we started to really experience it here. Like I saw, the numbers start to go up in September, as the temperature started to drop. And I just thought, you know, we're in trouble here, we're going to be in big trouble. Because all those people that didn't get sick before, because of, you know, lock downs, and travel restrictions and things like that, all of that's been gone all summer, we're going to get it No, and sure enough, we got it. So I mean, we were we were hugely overwhelmed here, a lot of our you know, our ability to be able to get work done to shut down because there were no hospital beds, everything that we did in terms of managing people's airways and secretions without sufficient testing involved, as you know, wearing like layers and layers of PP, you know, not drinking as much water as I normally would have, which I sort of view as being step one.
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buisiness not enough water, you know, like just just just being sort of in a in a total catecholamine, cortisol rage for most of it. And then again, like, you know, eating, eating, donated food, really, like just sort of put me back in that, you know, taking care of others is more important than taking care of myself mindset. But one of the things that I have to share this with the community, because it was a really big aha for me is that, you know, this was a very different kind of, you know, respiratory virus season for us. Because normally, I mean, you see people in the ICU with really bad influenza, and yeah, a lot of them have risk factors and whatnot. But for COVID, and for all of the young people that ended up on ventilators in the two hospitals that I work at, you know, people in their 20s people in their 30s, the vast majority of them,
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the vast majority, and to me, it just it really gave me pause in terms of what I was doing the message that I could carry out beyond the pandemic, the fact that even though you know, your doctor may tell, you know, your numbers look good. You know, it's not necessarily about the numbers, it's about subtle changes in those numbers. It's about you know, the things that you talk about in terms of thyroid function, insulin resistance, and the fact that those things are already damaged before the numbers actually reflect in your lab work. You know, and this, you know, you just saw it all over the place like 2526 year old guys that were carrying like, you know, 80 extra
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pounds on them. That that ended up on ventilators in the pandemic? No, you cut out for a second there were not a one year we're saying they had an N, I'm guessing that word was obese, they had over that excess weight on them.
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So did you notice that with older adults as well, where it was the older adults who had more weight that suffered either more frequency like you saw more of them? And or the more severity of this is that is it also the case? Absolutely like I mean, as we get older, you know, we do become, you know, relatively relatively immunocompromised just because of age, minus risk factors. So there was some of that, but for the most part, for the most part, people were obese, diabetic hypertensive, immunocompromised, like that, that was who you basically saw on ventilators. And then, you know, for those who who didn't die, belong hauling is is is really terrible. Like right now, we can't really get back to business here in Manitoba, even though our numbers have come down really nicely, because we still have the equivalent of an entire hospital full.
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discharged, and people who are now having to receive tracheostomy is just to get weaned off ventilators like lots of them. So it's, it's it's not, it's not insignificant. And you know, my reason for saying this is not to scare anyone, because I think we're actually getting to the other side of things where there are vaccinations available, there's immunity that's slowly growing, growing in the community, like I think we are getting to the other side of this now. But the importance of forward thinking and saying, you know, based on my own propensity for metabolic derangements that could be me, you know, that could be me. And I do have a responsibility to take care of myself, so I can take care of others, and then pass that message on to everyone. So for the whole warrior community, you guys are warriors, because you're doing something about this and decreasing your risk factors for acute and critical illness.
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Just your actions every day in weighing and measuring your food and following a new mindset. Yeah. And you know, we're all we talk to a lot of people who, their their doctor tell them, they're totally healthy, yet, they're still metabolically deranged, they could fast for a month and still not lose anything. So there seems to be a disconnect between health and what the doctors are saying are healthy based on lab work, and what's truly going on beneath the surface. And we know that if your body's not releasing weight, it's there's some health factors underlying health issues that are going on. So was not sure if you ever saw any studies on this or just on my own curiosity? Did you like did people who are just overweight with no other health
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conditions or pre are things that make them more vulnerable, like hide? hypertension, high cholesterol, was just obesity or overweight, alone, a risk factor without anything else for either having a more serious consequence or having or getting the illness in the first place.
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So I haven't actually seen the numbers I think when you when you compare them globally, it's it's going to be quite similar, because everybody has seen a similar burden of illness. And I think that we talked earlier, like the last time we spoke just about how, you know how different different communities are going to be differently affected based on the state of health of their populations. And, you know, without out because I mean, this is this is not my primary wheelhouse as an anesthesiologist. So, I mean, you've just inspired me to dig a little bit further into the literature, but because it's new and emerging, and and, and we're, we're starting to see these trends Now, based on what I've seen, and what I've heard from my colleagues in, in other in other provinces, it would seem to be that,
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you know,
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just just having some sort of state of metabolic derangement, irrespective of your age, put you at risk for that. And, you know, like, there was there was a whole slew of like kids that ended up being admitted to the hospital because of an outbreak around a bar here, like a downtown bar in Manitoba. And a couple of the guys that ended up in the ICU were bar workers. So you know, 2627 year old guys with no other past medical history, other than extra weight, you know, and, and you just see this over and over and over again, like, I mean, we had a pair of 3036 37 year old cousins in the ICU, too.
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Who are profoundly sick
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one of them ended up on on on ECMO. So basically on bypass because their lungs were so sick, you know, um, and again, morbidly obese, you know, morbidly obese and I think at least one
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did
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you stick with that? But, you know, again, you know, like, irrespective of age, you know, I mean, I, I see this so much on social media, and you know, people being, you know, very, very anti mask or thinking that COVID is a hoax, and it's like, No, no, no, it's actually not a hoax, it's a wake up call, is what it is, and take the politics out of it. And think about what health means to you, and how you can improve your own sense of health and your own sense of safety going forward. You know, people are always asking me, like, what do I take for? What do I take? And I'm like, forget about that. Are you doing the basics? Are you getting your sleep? Are you drinking your water? Are you eating your anti inflammatory foods? Are you in a healthy BMI?
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Forget about the supplements, just focus on those things, and get those things right. And you're dramatically reduced. All the risk factors are the majority of them. So that if that didn't counter, you know, everything else is a drop in the bucket. If we don't address the big things going on in our health. There's so much room for improvement there. And with a virus like this, it's like we Yeah, we You're right, you know, we were kind of making our way through the dark, the Dark Ages right now. But who's to say that another one will happen in the future? Right? So it's not like we should get a sigh of relief? All right, it's over. It's like, no, this is where you start to realize that we don't take our health for granted. And even though our medicine has come so far, if we do not have
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our internal state of health, there's not much that can save us either because of short, shortness of supply of those of those things, or because, you know, that just can't help a body that's not ready to fight itself. For itself. Right. Exactly. I'd love to transition Renata, though on a little bit more granular level for you, and how you were able, for the first half of it, when you were releasing and maintaining, you know, I know, you mentioned wasn't as stressful for you being in Manitoba. But how are you able with your shift work with your demanding career to install this new lifestyle change and follow it through the maintenance program to release the 10 bells are 55 pounds? And in that period of time, how was that for you? So for me, like it just it felt like a huge victory. And and I feel I feel like the key for me was just, it was the mindset and the preparation and taking like the one day a week even if it was opposed call day,
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doing my shopping, doing my food, prepping, making sure that I had everything in the fridge for the week, which is really like, I mean, when I got derailed in the fall, that was one of the first things that changed that in the water is not perceiving myself as having the time to do that. But you know, having like, you know, a week supply of reset meals or at the very least lunches, you know, in the
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fridge. Um, you know, having that shopping list in place, having an idea of you know, what it is that I was I was going to cook every day like that that kind of helps me because I'm a structured person that way I don't kind of make it up on a day to day basis. Like for me I have a I have an idea that Okay, so Sunday I'm going to make cod Monday it's going to be scallops Tuesday it's going to be like you know, ground ground buys and stuff peppers. So I have myself I have myself programmed. I was delicious. Yeah, no, you know what I mean? I've become very creative with with with some of these. You just listed them out like that like stuff peppers and buys and car. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I love ground buys. And I'm really digging that it's just it's a lovely lean, lean beat meat. It's got a it's got a different taste from beef. And and I actually think it's lower in fat. It fries up differently. So you know, I incorporate that once a week or
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I'll reset butter chicken or reset chicken soup, blocky, like things like that, you know, I'll give myself one day a week to you know, kind of change things up a little bit of fun off. But if I'm working and I often work two weekends a month, having just just knowing what day I'm going to do this and planning that ahead is really important for me.
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Like we have a lot of nurses a lot of shift workers with us. How do you make that work? Did you What are your shifts look like? Like on an average week is like 16 hours shifts or has that look so sometimes it depends like I work at two different hospitals. So every two weeks I I flip sites and out one that
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One of the sites that I work at the tertiary care center, I'll do 16 hour, like overnight calls. And then during the day, it can be anywhere from eight hours to 12 hours, just you know, it just it just kind of depends on the day. And you know, COVID is kind of monkeyed with that a little bit too.
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challenges. Okay, how long do you think you're going to be there that day and make sure that you have enough food for your eating window in there. So the other site that I work at the community site, I'm on call for 24 hours when I'm on call. So I show up there at seven o'clock in the morning, and, you know, take the pager and take control and whatnot. And I always make sure when I'm at that site that I have two meals with me, like to release meals with me water, I have a soda stream, so I make sure that I bring some carbonated water to help me with extra hunger, or a xevious soda, you know, things like extra veggies on those days, just in case, you know, but you know, just sort of having that in my mind saying, okay, like, you may very well be here through what your you know, that your designated dinner time is going to be. So figure out a way to make this work. So you're not ordering food, or you're not too hungry, and that you don't come home and like follow up wagon, make a choice.
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So that's that's how I've done that, you know, what you do is really metabolically demanding because you're using a lot of brain power, right? In like, our brain alone takes up 20% of our energy yet, you know, you're you probably double or quadruple out with the amount of intensity with which you have to work.
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Did you find yourself being more hungry on those days? Or, and how did you manage that sometimes, and I sort of tracked it according to the number of steps. So for example, if today is a pre qual day for me, so I go to work for 330. And I'll be there overnight for 16 hours. And I'm doing a labor floor shift tonight. So that can involve actually, you know, being able to sleep a block of four hours or getting my butt kicked and being up all night to labor epidurals and C sections. And, you know, it just depends on the night. So what I usually do, if I'm
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really busy in the night is I'll bring like, an extra four ounce serving of protein with me, you know, just in case, I start to feel that I'm really hungry, or I'm not resting when I should be resting, celebrating, you know, like four ounces of chicken or or six ounces of cottage cheese is something that I will often do as well. And just a whole bunch of celery and cucumbers and like apple cider vinegar dip
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that I use with a little bit of stevia, and that tends to you know, that tends to just fill me up and and and help me not be hungry. Yeah, it's incredible. Because on most programs, when you're dieting, it's like you You suffer cognitively like you can't think as well and your energy suffers. But it sounds like you thrive on the releasing phase.
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With it, you know, your body's just in the zone, you know, you get hungry, but you know how to manage it with a little bit of protein. And you can just keep going and not have to think about food anymore.
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It's pretty amazing. First time that I that I did this, Andrew because I was thinking, how am I going to like how am I going to make it through these nights, you know, because normally like what we'll do is we'll order a pile of food for our trainees and like stick it in the fridge. And then, you know, at two or three in the morning when you're you know, you're taking a break from you know, from the craniotomy that you're doing for whatever go whacked on the head, that you'll just go and scarf down some noodles and then put them back in the fridge. And that's that, you know, so I was actually pleasantly surprised by how easy it actually was. And a lot of it was mindset, you know, is that, you know, knowing that I felt better and how I felt was a real learning. You know,
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like when I gained those 18 and a half pounds by the time Christmas came around, I was like, I don't feel well again. You know, I know I don't feel well, I know I've gained weight. I've been avoiding the scale because I was going to shame.
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I was like I know better. Like I have a way of getting rid of this. I have a way of getting this back under control. So you know, get your ass in gear as your gift to yourself for the new year and just get back on it. And you know, sure enough, like the process works, it never disappoints, and don't go to shame. You know, because that shame and avoidance of the scale. That's like been a big story of my life. You know? So you're not only able to things happen outside of your control, you had to rely on food donated from the community. You had an incredible amount of stress with all the politics and bureaucracy and everything else.
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Rounding what was going on with your your patients and the hospitals? And the different health centers? And the 18 and a half pounds came on? Shame set in, what did you use in your mind to say, that's enough? I'm not going there. I'm actually going to get out of this better than when I got into this, what you did end up doing, but what shifted in your mind?
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This time around? I think
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it I think, I think what it was this time around, it was like, Okay, I'm at the point now, where I physically feel unwell. What am I ashamed of? What am I ashamed of? You know, I mean, this metabolically is what I have to deal in, you know, it is, it is my, you know, it is it is it is my genetics, it is it is my past experiences is like, you know, better you know, what the remedy is? So, if there's a remedy, you know, why should you have to be ashamed about life getting in the way, because there's a very good chance that life will get in the way again, but the beauty is, is that if life gets in a way, there is, you know, there, there's, there's a way to get out of it, you know, and, and, and that, to me, like, just gives me so much gratitude for this community. Because as I started to feel unwell again, I really started to get more into the community again, and, you know, encourage more warriors and, and just, you know, really take into things that they were saying, and, you know, all their own stories of shame and self doubt, like I was reading someone's story the other day about, you know, falling off the wagon, because they ate something that they shouldn't, and it's like, Hey, you know, progress is more important than perfection, it's one day at a time, and for me to have rung 10 bells and celebrated that it's like, okay, you know, there is some room for flux here, like life will happen, you know, you, you may have to rearrange these bells, if life gets in the way, if there's a death in the family, or significant illness or another global health crisis, you know, but the fact of the matter is, is that you are ultimately the most responsible to yourself, and your own metabolic or health, you know, health related journey, you know, only you can help you and only you can really love you through that, you know, we can all help each other.
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know, we all need to help each other, love ourselves more, and just not go to shame. It's funny, because in the last two or three weeks, I was kind of seeing you engage with the community, and I saw like, heart and then Renata saying, I noticed some of the posts and all these things. I'm like, Oh, it's and I saw you, I think, come on a facebook live in the last couple weeks. And oh, we're not a local. You know, it's great to see you here. And it's just now Okay, great leverage is community. Now, when you need to support in that, that, you know, because it's huge to have that early. And one thing that you mentioned is, you know, we'd go into this, this realm of helplessness when we have this negative spiral in our heads, you know, we like I've gained two and a half pounds, and then you go into this spiral of helplessness, and helplessness is three things when you feel like it's
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personal, like you feel like your fault. When you feel like it's pervasive, right, when you feel like it affects every area of your life. And when you feel like it's permanent. So when you feel like it's not changeable. But when you have the tools and the roadmap to know exactly how to fix this, for example, now know how to get these 18 and a half pounds off in a matter of six weeks, then the permanence goes away, the personnel goes away, because you had that responsibility again, and you have the knowledge and tools, and it's no longer pervasive and no longer affects every area of your life because you know how to control it now. So it sounds like for you, having that internal knowledge and education Have I done this before, I know when I do this, again, shifted you from going into this realm of like inside and helplessness and in this negative reinforcement pattern to let's take action. And let's have a clear, let's go back on the clear path that I know how, and you're able to emerge from that two pounds lighter than when you actually came into it. And I'm guessing a lot stronger too. Because you know that I did this? Yeah, yeah, I did this and you know, the change overall will be
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some fluctuations along the way. The change is a permanent change. Yeah. Awesome. So for you Renata,
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with with how you been able, when I first saw you when we first came on this live, I was like, You look fantastic. Not only physically but energetically you just seem like you're in such a great place. I am I am I I feel great. And you know, even though I have my you know, my challenges at work still in this, you know, this strange era that is not yet over.
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I I feel I feel very blessed like your hat there. I feel I feel very blessed. I have a lot of gratitude. I
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I physically, I feel better than I did when I was probably 35. You know, and I turned 53 in the
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congratulation.
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I feel better than a lot of really long time. Yeah, I remember when we last chatted, I asked you what are you most excited about? And you mentioned your internal journey, and kind of finding more about that and evolving that. And for you now, is that is that still what who you hold as your evolvement? in the future? what you're most excited about? Or has going through coven? Is last process shifted out a little bit? Or is it the same? What are you most excited about now that you have this control under control, and maybe you can focus on other things and developing those
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I feel like I am on a healers journey.
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And I always have like pretty much my entire life. But I think you know now at this stage that I'm at having engaged in
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healing, you know, healing from past traumas, like, you know, healing, healing from bad relationships, healing from, you know, a kind of a tough upbringing, you know, and, and, and, and healing from my own metabolic woes, I feel like, you know, the whole, the whole imperative to carry on that message of, of taking control and, you know, self help, through a variety of paradigms, like, you know, I I study with a spiritual teacher who's a Sufi, so, you know, I have a network of people that I work on, on that level with, to try to encourage and guide and help. And similarly, in the whole realm of, of health, like I, I love being a physician, and I love medicine, but one of the things that really annoys me about medicine is this preoccupation on, on on fixing symptoms, but not fixing the root cause, I feel like I'd be a lot less busy,
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if we really got to the, you know, got to the business of fixing the root cause, you know, I mean, fixing metabolic arrangements, inflammation in the body, less cancers, less diabetes, you know, less people coming to my operating room to have parts of themselves removed, that they can't support anymore, because their, their, their, their bodies are deteriorating and rotting.
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I
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I kind of grapple with how it is that I can participate in that message, because it's, to me, it's just becoming more and more and more obvious. And like I said, my own experiences with the patients that I took care of, during the pandemic, really just kind of hammered that home. Yeah,
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you do such a great service for what you do. I mean, I had broken my leg and had a major surgery just last week. And so which is why I'm staying in this recliner. anesthesiologist who, who helped me put me under I was eternally grateful for because, you know, in that period of time, I was in great need and necessity. And, you know, I'm so grateful for that. And my wife, who's probably going to give birth sometime this week or next week, you know, if she needs to go and have that, and this is geologists, I'm so grateful for your services. And it's such amazing things that you do. But it sounds like for you, you want to nip it, before it even gets to where it's at right now. And for you, that's kind of where you feel a little poll in terms of I love what I do, and I make a big difference, but how do I stop them from even getting to that point? Exactly, exactly. How How do you you know, how do you magnify you know, and increase the breadth of that message? You know, and I feel like everybody in this community like you know, that's been here for any significant period of time will get that because they they feel the change, they embody the change.
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But you know, how is it that you get that message out? Like with absolutely no disrespect to
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clinically, how do you get this out? And one of my, one of my colleagues actually did a he did a presentation on the keto diet as part of our teaching rounds, a few weeks back, and I kind of chuckled about it because he's had tremendous success on keto and paid to get a dexa scan. So you know, he could keep calibrate all his internal fat and whatnot, and, you know, get an idea of how fat his liver was, and, you know, his intra abdominal fat burden, shall we say?
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And I just I kind of chuckled about that aspect of the talk. But at the same time, he made a lot of really amazing points about significant lobby groups like the tobacco industry, or the fast food industry or Big Pharma. And why it is that we're not really getting to the root of the problem, you know, and I guess, like, not getting to the root of the problem tends to support a lot of big business, you know? Yeah. You know, and I'm,
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like, I would like to see a turnaround and not expect, yeah, sorry, if I cut you off there, it was lagging. So I thought you had completed.
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But something I did want to say was as becoming a new parent, again,
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I've been studying a lot about parenting and how to raise, you know, children the right way. And I've been, you know, one of my mentors, I should say, you know, by, by distances, Dr. Gabor Matta, I've been following him for a long time. And he talks a lot about how the root of all chronic illness comes from
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childhood trauma. And childhood trauma could be, it doesn't have to be a traumatic event, it could just be neglected neglect, and not neglect, like the parent didn't pay attention to you, but you didn't receive enough love or didn't receive enough attention from your parents. And in this generation in this society, I feel like that's so it's everywhere. Its ubiquitous,
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not because there's a lack of love, but because there's a lack of word is worship my values be.
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And I think COVID is changing that slightly, you know, starting to shift that with people working from home more and spending more time forcing them with to be more with their families. But I think what you're talking about in terms of that self discovering that self healing and childhood trauma is a huge part of the route. And I feel like, because we don't learn how to deal with our internal emotions, we turn to drugs, we turn to food, we turn to tobacco, we turn to these things. Whereas if we had that childhood experience, you know, predominantly between the ages of zero and three, and then also between the ages of zero and seven, where we had that relationship with adult Parenthood, and we were to learn how to transmute our emotions appropriately, there would no longer be this internal conflict that allows us to go and seek food and other things in our lives that then carry out and propagate to the rest of our lives. So I feel like the work that you do from that angle is just as prevalent and just as important, as if someone were educating someone on how to eat properly. I think they're just as necessary. I think so as well. You know, the other thing that Gabor Ma Tei talks about a lot, as well as the whole issue of, you know, obesity itself as a defense mechanism from the outside, you know, if you're increasing the layers of yourself that separate yourself from outside, it's, it's, it's a way of armoring yourself and, you know, shielding yourself from intimacy of all sorts, you know, relationships with others, you know, even, you know, even even a good relationship with yourself, you know.
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So it's, um, there, there are just there, there, there are so many things that I think we need to be teaching our kids that, that we ourselves didn't have the benefit of learning, you know, with respect to the humanizing of all of these things. And the fact that these cycles can actually, you know, either be avoided or healed. So, you know,
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yeah, well, the exciting part here is that there's so many different angles to do God's work, right. And whether it's from this angle, or that angle, healing, emotionally, physically, you know, whatever it is, you know, it just as long as your heart's in the right place, and you kind of know what you're aligned with which it sounds like you're coming closer and closer to that every single day, every time we have a chat.
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You know, you're you're doing great work. So we're not a thank you for everything you do. And thank you for sharing your journey. And of course, thank you for being an incredible warrior and being a part of our family. Oh, you're welcome. Like I said, it's a great, great family to belong to. I'm I'm just I'm super excited to still be here. We're super excited to have you. This message I think is gonna inspire a lot of people in many different ways. So thank you for touching them as well.
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You're very welcome. And
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best of luck with your new addition and your healing leg. And I hope we get to chat again soon, Andrew. I always love getting together. Yeah, for sure. Thank you for not having a rescue day. Take care. Bye.